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MSGID: 1:2240/176.0 3021d989 While we're in a festive mood, let's try seeing just exactly what this thing can do. Go ahead, press the F1 key! The F1 key will serve as a memory jogger when you just can't remember which key on the keyboard does what. After a few times using the program, you'll probably never need the F1 key. The keys and functions of the reader will become second nature to you. If you're using a mouse, you will notice the words "F1 - Help" in the bottom right hand corner of your screen. Move the mouse cursor to those words and press the LEFT mouse button. Voila! If you're a person who likes pull down menus rather than fumbling around on the keyboard, the <Alt-M> key combination is for you. Press <Alt-M> right now to access the reader's pull down menu. Reading mail offline has never been easier! If you're the mousey type, there are two ways to access the pull down menu system. If you have a 3-button mouse, press the MIDDLE mouse button. The menu will instantly appear. If you are one of the unlucky ones (like me) with a 2-button mouse, move the mouse cursor to the words "Menu" on the left hand side of your screen and press the LEFT mouse button. This will also activate the pull down menu system. ... Error! Tagline not found. (A)bort, (R)etry, (P)anic? ~~~ Blue Wave/OS2 v2.20 MSGID: 1:2240/176.0 3021d98a Well look at this! Your very first mail packet, and you already have personal mail. If you keep this up, people from everywhere are going to recognize you! Why not take a moment to try creating a reply? Simply press the R key right now, and you will be introduced to the Blue Wave Message Entry System. When you REPLY to a message, the reader automatically fills in the message entry header for you! It couldn't get any easier than this now, could it? ... Taglines, taglines, taglines. So many taglines, and so little time! ~~~ Blue Wave/OS2 v2.20 MSGID: 1:2240/176.0 3021d98b If you are reading this, you are probably installing and using the reader as a new user. Before beginning, the introductory walk-through, I would like to take just a moment and say "Thanks" for trying out The Blue Wave Mail System. No other mail system in the world is growing and developing as fast as the one you are testing right now! You can move to the next message by pressing the ENTER key, or your right cursor key. If you are using a mouse, simply click the LEFT mouse button on the word "Next", which appears on the bottom border of the message header window. ... This is a sample tagline. If it were real, it would be funny! ~~~ Blue Wave/OS2 v2.20 MSGID: 1:2240/176.0 3021d98c Well, we made it through one message area with no battle scars! This should be the last message you see in the "General Messages" area. You can do several things to get back to the 'Choose Area to Read' selection window. 1) Press your right arrow key once, and then again. When you hit the last message in an area, the reader will signal you. If you press the key again, it will automatically drop back for you! 2) If you're using the mouse, click the LEFT mouse button on the "Next" icon twice. 3) Pressing ESCape will always get you out of message reading mode, whether you are at the last message in the area or not. Clicking the mouse's RIGHT button serves as your ESCape key when mousing around. ... Warning! Tagline thieves abound. See next message area for details! ~~~ Blue Wave/OS2 v2.20 MSGID: 1:2240/176.0 3021d98d By now you've probably seen the taglines at the end of the messages. Taglines are part of the fun of offline mail reading! How can you create your very own taglines? Well, that's simple, too. If you press <Alt-A> right now, the reader will take the tagline directly out of this message and save it to your very own tagline file! (A sample tagline file, TAGLINES.BW, was enclosed with your reader). If you have "Check tagline file for dupes" still enabled in the reader's configuration menu, press <Alt-A> several times to see what happens. We've got you covered! ... Press <Alt-A> to Adopt Me! I need a better home. ~~~ Blue Wave/OS2 v2.20 /* Quoting Peter Karlsson on 07-25-95 14:20 ... */ PK> Anyway, I sent you a letter with my two registration codes for PK> 2.12/OS2, one with the name "Peter Karlsson", which was the name I got PK> the 2.20/OS2 code for, and one with the name "Peter T. Karlsson", PK> which I did not get any 2.20 code for. You only need one with 2.20. All of the extra registration numbers, secondary registration, etc. are gone. PK> The one with the initial is that I use on BBS:es, the other on my PK> point system. I wonder if it is not needed with 2.20 as it was with PK> 2.12, where the reader would say it was unregistered with another PK> registration code. That "feature" has been fixed. PK> Please clarify me on this subject. Do I have to send another SASE? Nope. ... ∞Ö∞ Bugs? What bugs? *MY* code doesn't have any bugs. ∞Ö∞ --- FMail 0.96Γ * Origin: NIU Connection (815)753-1800 (1:11/70.0) /* Quoting Peter Karlsson on 07-25-95 22:28 ... */ PK> Where will Blue Wave OMR 2.20 be available for freq (the "official" PK> distribution, where it will be like directly when it is released)? George's release announcement will include this information. Wild! Blue, of course, will be the primary distribution site, with many of the beta sites mirroring it. PK> Preferably a site in Europe (I would like one in Sweden, but that's PK> not that probable). I want to freq it as soon as possible :-) Can't help you with the Swedish distribution. I am sure that Dave Parker and Steve Stacher will have it on your side of the ocean pretty quickly. ... If Noah had used Zip, he could have used a smaller boat. --- FMail 0.96Γ * Origin: NIU Connection (815)753-1800 (1:11/70.0) /* Quoting Ken Whiton on 07-28-95 03:23 ... */ KW> Will the new registration codes for the reader(s) be recognized as KW> valid by the old doors? If not, I predict a rash of complaints in KW> this echo from registered users who are no longer recognized as KW> registered by the door(s) that previously recognized them as such. |-( I'm using the 1.02 RA door here, with the 2.20y beta reader, and having no trouble. I think that there's only one (current) door older than the RA 1.02 door, so I'm pretty sure that this won't be a problem. ... If Jesus save's, well he'd better save himself. --- FMail 0.96Γ * Origin: NIU Connection (815)753-1800 (1:11/70.0) /* Quoting Ken Whiton on 07-28-95 03:23 ... */ KW> if the user deletes messages from a packet, or does anything else that KW> would cause Blue Wave to repack a mail packet, the size increase could KW> be significant. Does the Preferences system allow for the use of KW> different command lines when packing reply packets and when repacking KW> mail packets? Yes. ... Try to get all of your posthumous medals in advance. --- FMail 0.96Γ * Origin: NIU Connection (815)753-1800 (1:11/70.0) /* Quoting Jesse Dooling on 07-28-95 20:52 ... */ GH> Unfortunately, the release date for The Blue Wave Offline Mail Reader GH> v2.20 has slipped to August 4th, 1995. I have been sick the last 4 JD> What things will be different from 2.12? Martin's been posting a preliminary features list every day or so. JD> Will NETmail be crashed as it should be when you setup Crash in the JD> Setup? Maybe, depends on why it's not working for you now. What bbs software, and what door (version) are you using? ... Vanity plates: Taglines for cars. --- FMail 0.96Γ * Origin: NIU Connection (815)753-1800 (1:11/70.0) /* Quoting Branislav Slantchev on 07-29-95 14:56 ... */ BS> What is BWUtils? I have a BWSetup. Sorry, I'm used to an older door where it was called bwutils.exe. Same thing, basically. BS> Anyway, I do have the level for BS> inclusion of the kludges, but I have it set up to No for the user BS> account. Note that I am not talking about the Seen-By's, but about BS> MSGIDs at the beginning of the message. Also, note that it doesn't BS> always show. I don't really understand what the MSGID/REPLY kludge lines are supposed to be for. I can't tell you much about them. Perhaps somebody else here can be of more help. ... Potehtow, poetaeto, poltatoe, putaetow, potato, potatow, poetaeto, po --- FMail 0.96Γ * Origin: NIU Connection (815)753-1800 (1:11/70.0) /* Quoting George Hannah on 07-27-95 10:56 ... */ MP> First message only. The splitting routine has just enough MP> intelligence to get messages split properly, but it's not *THAT* smart. GH> Will the message splitting routine add some sort of indicator of GH> which message it is, such as 1 of 3 or something similar? If so, you Yes. GH> might want to mention to George that this will break some BBS GH> software. I already did. I *still* think that the software in question is badly broken, but we'll have to live with it. GH> of subject (I'm not sure how many). The approach many people have GH> taken to get around this problem, is to write the subject like so: "1 GH> of 3, Blah Blah Blah", so that the first character of the subject is GH> different in each message. TTYL... Yep. Actually, 2.20 uses "[1/3] This is the subject" for the subject lines of split messages. ... Change is not progress. - H.L. Mencken --- FMail 0.96Γ * Origin: NIU Connection (815)753-1800 (1:11/70.0) /* Quoting Jack McGuire on 07-30-95 17:28 ... */ JM> Is there going to be a package deal like before. That is, being a JM> SysOp can I reg. both the BBS door and the OLR for a lower price than JM> the cost of each seperately? As far as I know, that will still be available. But, the only reason I think that is that I've not seen anything to the contrary. When the 2.20 reg form shows up, we'll all know... ... #define main Main /* Now try to link this! */ --- FMail 0.96Γ * Origin: NIU Connection (815)753-1800 (1:11/70.0) MSGID: 3:632/309.0 301d427b -=>Michael Hardy wrote to All concerning tagline removal<=- Hi Michael, MH> Is there any way to delete taglines from Bluewave's tagline file? Simply open up a text editor and delete (or add), any taglines. Then remember to 'save' the file. IF you should have XTGold, it is even easier to edit files. Might be worth checking out. rgds.. Christopher Canham ... Simple answers to dumb questions make this a fun echo! --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: Melbourne PC User Group +61-3-699-6788 (3:632/309) MSGID: 1:147/102.0 301d6f14 -=> Quoting Wayne Benner to Stephen Drake on 30 Jul 95 08:55:54 <=- WB> There's no "fix", because this has never been a problem. Why WB> *don't* you just take the .cfg file off of your laptop? I'd WB> like to know if that solution doesn't work, because that would WB> mean some serious compatibility problem with Win95. I found Blue Wave works best in a Windows 95 DOS box with the box NOT informed of the presence of Windows. The door gives up unnecessary time slices if it "thinks" it's running under windows while actually running under Windows 95. Maximus also has problems if it is allowed to attempt to identify the multitasker. I run Maximus and the Blue Wave Door and the Blue Wave Reader. Greg King ... The more things change, the more they stay insane. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: King Family BBS (1:147/102) MSGID: 1:161/418.0 301ecdbf Just for kicks, after reading your messages to Hubert Johnson, I actually Read The &*&!(!! Manual. There's a nice introduction to Offline Readers, a Hardware Requirements section, and Installation instructions, all clearly laid out. Seems simple enough, if PEOPLE PRINT THE MANUAL OUT AND READ THE DARN THING. I'm an MIS manager, and a reformed manual reader. Used to NEVER read'm. Don't know why. I get quite flustered by people who get stuck then call for help WITHOUT READING THE MANUAL FIRST. --kw --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: realitycheckBBS-San Francisco,CA +1 415 648 9489 (1:161/418) MSGID: 1:153/857.0 301fff95 Hi there, Can anyone tell me how does the request command in BW works? ... Iraqi Rifle for sale!! Never fired but was dropped once! --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: Adventurers' BBS * Burnaby, BC, Canada * (604)520-9618 (1:153/857) MSGID: 1:153/290.0 301fb60a I'm using 'dos 5' with '4dos5.5/rC' with a 3072 Environment, but for all my searches and configs, I simply can't kill or make a DIRECTORY in the 4Dos shell. 4Dos echoes 1] program failed 2]out of memory 3]etc.....,;I am running on a no rammer 1024...384xtended, but that shouldn't be my problem to make or kill a 'empty' directory! It's probably one of those real stupid simple commands but nothing in the *.INI will change that???? Any help would be much appreciated, and thanks in advance! ... Internet E-Mail to: Robert_LaCasse@mindlink.bc.ca --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: Frog Hollow Port Moody BC 604-469-0264 (1:153/290) MSGID: 1:387/31.55 301edba9 Hello Dan! Overheard bible thumping, Jason Rothstein, took offence and promptly shot Dan Chak DC> Thank you soooo much! That was quite an annoying problem. I hope this DC> fixes it all up. looks like you had fixed it partly already... and skiped half of it... :) in the free space part of the prompt... you had it working correctly... but for the memory... :) oops... anotehr % needs to be there... :) it should fix it up.. now if I can only figure out what my old prompt string was so I can return to it... :) Latez... FidoNet: 1:387/31.55 CobraNet: 17:100/1 CandyNet: 42:2803/1002 MysticNet: 101:101/10.1 Sci-FiNet: 102:1701/0.1 ... "'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on!" ___ TagDude 0.90 [Unregistered] with 11,234 taglines. --- GoldED/P32 2.42.G0214 * Origin: Cobra's Point (1:387/31.55) MSGID: 1:2613/725.0 30204768 Hello Larry! LC> Hello Mikko! ..... and you too Mikko! LC> MH> Is there a function or a variable that reports OS/2 if I'm running > MH> 4DOS in an OS/2 DOS session (as the command interpreter), or DOS > MH> if I'm running 4DOS as the command interpreter for DOS? The > MH> reported values need not be "OS/2" or "DOS", as long as I can LC> Hope you don't mind me jumping in here... What I use is %_dos. > Something like below: LC> iff %_dos eq os2 then > echo You're in an OS/2 window. > else > echo You're in an DOS window. > endiff Hmmmmm..... I understand *what* that says, but am not quite clear as to where I would use it/place it (in .cfg file someplace? ie; auto<xxx>.bat, 4Dos/Os2.ini, config.sys(?), etc....) I just use the following plus a little something extra: prompt $d (4OS/2)$_Prvs Cmd Errlvl Exit =$s$r$_$p$g which winds up looking like: Wed 8-02-95 (4OS/2) Prvs Cmd Errlvl Exit = x (where x = previously run programs exiting e:\4os2>_ errorlevel) ...and I have the same thing for my DOS sessions, 'cept it says (4DOS)! Kinda "geeky"? Ummmmmm... . I dunno - but it's proven interesting from time to time when trying to come up with .bat/.cmd/.btm's, etc... and having a quick way of determining an exiting programs errorlevel. J.D. P.S. - ... am kinda curious as to where and how you use your example. Thanks! ___ X QMPro 1.52 X ...and we were told that 'puters would make life easy... --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Master Link Communications (1:2613/725) MSGID: 1:242/105 301abaaf Hello Bill! Quoting Bill's message: BW> .....Can you tell me how to create an alias for Bwave so that Bwave BW> doesn't ask if I want to create a new config file when I call it up with BW> the alias? Make sure you change to the Blue Wave directory before calling BWAVE.EXE, such as: alias BW = `pushd c:\bwave ^ bwave ^ popd` You could also use one of your function keys to call Blue Wave, such as: alias @@F12 = `pushd c:\bwave ^ bwave ^ popd` Sincerely, Raymond. INFODATA Service d'Informations [514 432 8467] ... Forrest Gump: Silence is a virtue known to all mute men. --- GoldED/386 * Origin: INFODATA Basses Laurentides - Home of 4DOS_TC (FidoNet 1:242/105) MSGID: 1:3634/37.0 01f20654 Hello Saul! SL> Scott, SL> Maybe I should republish the five messages of how to use the SL> file-handling features of 4DOS? Does anyone else want SL> these? You've got a definate "yes" from this system. File-handling is my weakest 4dos ability. :( Regards, /(/( Don.Cranford ( OO______O @thor.wplace.cssnet.sanford.nc.us ( \_______/ TEAM OS/2 (WARP Fullpak) \_______)U Official US Patriot BBS ... Win'95 Error:01C Uncertainty error. Uncertainty may be inadequate. ___ TagDude 0.90 [Unregistered] --- timEd/2 1.10.g1+ * Origin: Thor's Retreat/2 (910-424-0956/426-1404) Fayetteville, (1:3634/37) MSGID: 1:119/88.77 301f82fd Hello KEN! Monday July 31 1995 20:32, KEN KNOTTINGHAM wrote to ALL: KK> How can I get more conventional memory out of my computer? KK> I have a 486 sx33 and am runing 8 meg Ram. I have sound blaster, cd rom KK> I am trying to run a hockey program that requires 580k of conv. mem. and KK> my computer says I only have 507k c/m. I have tryed to make a boot disk KK> that doesn't load the cd or sound blaster. and I get an out of memory KK> error about 1 minute into the game. Can anyone help? If all your memory is good, then you should be able to get more Conv. Memory by loading as much as you can into upper memory. Below is my config.sys if it helps.... DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS BUFFERS=4,0 FILES=50 DOS=UMB LASTDRIVE=Z FCBS=4,0 DOS=HIGH STACKS=9,256 SHELL=c:\util\4dos\4dos.com c:\util\4dos /p DEVICEHIGH =C:\DOS\ANSI.SYS DEVICEHIGH =C:\SB16\DRV\CTSB16.SYS /UNIT=0 /BLASTER=A:220 I:7 D:1 H:5 DEVICEHIGH =C:\SB16\DRV\CTMMSYS.SYS DEVICEHIGH =C:\CDSYS\SLCD.SYS /D:MSCD001 /B:230 /K Michael --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: ** Chico Christian Net ** (FidoNet 1:119/88.77) MSGID: 3:632/103.123 3011383d Welcome Conn Rex... Just a quick suggestion... How about a @DOW function, which returns the doay of the week, given a date in numeric format? (ie. %@DOW[%@DATE[%_DATE]]) Better still, make %@DOW automatically handle the date in either date or numeric format. (if it's not a date, maybe it's a date represented by a number?) nevets - Redifining the meaning of wierd... ... Cross-country skiing is great in small countries. --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Is it really for DOS? (3:632/103.123) MSGID: 3:632/103.123 30113d34 I just thought I'd say this to whoever's listening: There have been requests for DEC2HEX and HEX2DEC converters... Well here's one I wrote a long time ago... It's not particularly well written, but it does its job. It'll evaluate an integer equation, taking numbers in any base between 2 and 32... I'm not sure what will happen if the result of an equation has a fractional part, since I've never tested it and didn't take it into consideration when I wrote the thing. It'll sent the result streight to the screen, or into the variable you specify. If anyone has any suggestions or a better version, I'd appreciate it if they'd post it back, since it does tend to be a little on the slow side... .-, .-, C(o o)@ C(o o)@ -------oOO-(_)-OOo-------CUT HERE-------oOO-(_)-OOo------- @echo off if "%1" == "" goto disphelp if "%1" == "/?" goto disphelp if "%1" == "-?" goto disphelp goto main :getbase if "%mode" == "d" (set base=0123456789 %+ return) if "%mode" == "h" (set base=0123456789abcdef %+ return) if "%mode" == "b" (set base=01 %+ return) if "%mode" == "o" (set base=01234567 %+ return) if "%mode" == "a" (set base=abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz %+ return) set base=0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz if "%mode" == "n" return if %@numeric[%mode] != 0 .AND. %mode ge 2 .AND. %mode le 32 (set base=%@instr[0,%mode,%base] %+ return) if "%@instr[0,1,%mode]" != "=" goto modeerror set base=%@instr[1,255,%mode] return :modeerror echo INVALID NUMERICAL MODE "%mode" quit :main setlocal iff "%@instr[0,1,%1]" == "=" then set para=3 else set para=2 endiff set reslt=0 set oper=+ :loop if "%[%para]" == "" goto result iff "%@instr[0,1,%[%para]]" == "=" then set mode=%@instr[1,255,%[%para]] set para=%@inc[%para] else set mode=d endiff set data=%@lower[%[%para]] set para=%@eval[%para+2] gosub getbase set acc=0 set pos=0 :datalup set acc=%@eval[%acc*%@len[%base]+%@index[%base,%@instr[%pos,1,%data]]] set pos=%@inc[%pos] if %pos lt %@len[%data] goto datalup if "%oper" == "+" goto add if "%oper" == "-" goto sub if "%oper" == "*" goto mult if "%oper" == "/" goto div if "%oper" == "\" goto intdiv if "%oper" == "%%" goto mod if "%oper" == "**" goto pow echo INVALID MATHEMATICAL OPERATOR "%oper" quit :add set reslt=%@eval[%reslt + %acc] goto continue :sub set reslt=%@eval[%reslt - %acc] goto continue :mult set reslt=%@eval[%reslt * %acc] goto continue :div set reslt=%@eval[%reslt / %acc] goto continue :intdiv set reslt=%@int[%@eval[%reslt / %acc]] goto continue :mod set reslt=%@eval[%reslt %% %acc] goto continue :pow set a=1 set b=%reslt :powlup if %acc le 0 goto powdone set a=%@eval[%a * %b] set acc=%@dec[%acc] goto powlup :powdone set reslt=%a goto continue :continue set oper=%[%@dec[%para]] if "%oper" != "" goto loop iff "%@instr[0,1,%1]" == "=" then set mode=%@instr[1,255,%1] set stor=%2 else set mode=d set stor=%1 endiff set data=%reslt unset reslt gosub getbase :reslup set a=%@eval[%data %% %@len[%base]] set data=%@int[%@eval[%data/%@len[%base]]] set reslt=%@instr[%a,1,%base]%reslt if %data gt 0 goto reslup iff "%stor" != "*" then set xit=`endlocal %+ set `%stor`=`%reslt %xit else echo EVAL = %reslt endiff quit :disphelp echo USAGE: EVAL result value [opp value]... echo result = mode/value pair where value is environment variable echo to store resulting value in (or "*" for screen) echo value = mode/value pair where value is actual numeric data echo opp = mathematical symbol echo (+) addition (-) subtraction (*) multiplication echo (/) division (\) integer div (%%) modular div echo (**) power of echo. echo mode/value pares must be seperated by a space and have a mode echo indicator which is one of the following: echo b - binary - 01 echo o - octal - 01234567 echo d - decimal - 0123456789 echo h - hexadecimal - 0123456789abcdef echo a - alpha only - abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz echo n - alphanumeric - 0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz .-, .-, C(o o)@ C(o o)@ -------oOO-(_)-OOo-------CUT HERE-------oOO-(_)-OOo------- Hope it's usefull... Oh, hex mode (=h) can also be specified with =16 (=nn, where nn is the required base up to 32) or ==0123456789abcdef (==xxx where xxx are the characters which make up this numeric system). =a 156658104 ... 74% Say No! (And 26% Get Pregnant) --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: DOS ain't DOS without 4DOS (3:632/103.123) MSGID: 3:632/103.123 3014371e Hello? Anyone there? Hello? After deleting files from a directory using a non-4DOS aware program, the description of those files is still present within the Descript.Ion files. What is the easyest way to cause 4DOS to purge these unwanted descriptions? nevets ... <- teenage mutant ninja tribbles --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Is it really for DOS? (3:632/103.123) Message-I -=> Quoting Saul Levy to Phi Nguyen <=- SL> I hate to say it, but how about using QuickBASIC instead of 4DOS? I rather use C instead <G>! Phi ... Computers also eliminate spare time. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- PCBoard (R) v15.21/M 5 * Origin: Carolina Forum - Charlotte, NC - (704)568-1663 (1:379/10) Message-I -=> Quoting Jim Danvers to Phi Nguyen <=- JD> Great - and yeah - 99 out of a 100 percent of the cases that should be JD> an accurate assumption. In the meantime - our local mail hub got JD> constipated and we didn't get any mail for a few days around here, and JD> alas the code that you wrote has already arrived! I haven't had a JD> chance to look at it as yet, but will definately do so here chop chop! JD> I really appreciate your help with this! That was my first real C program <G>! I began with 4DOS but came across a problem so I tried C instead. It works much faster <G>! If you need anything else, just ask. Phi ... Diplomacy is saying "nice doggy" until you find a rock. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- PCBoard (R) v15.21/M 5 * Origin: Carolina Forum - Charlotte, NC - (704)568-1663 (1:379/10) Message-I -=> Quoting Gary Goldman to All <=- GG> Can anyone tell me how much extra memory 4dos uses over Command.com. I don't know the exact number but 4DOS used less RAM than command.com. It all depend on how you set the Swap settings. You can swap large portion of 4DOS to XMS,EMS, Hard disk or Conv. RAM. If you use DOSKEY, you will be glad to know that you can now reclaim the 8K that it used for something else. Phi ... "You keep saying that, I don't think it means what you think it means" ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- PCBoard (R) v15.21/M 5 * Origin: Carolina Forum - Charlotte, NC - (704)568-1663 (1:379/10) MSGID: 1:383/40 6c018930 Dennis Cole was gabbing to All about OS/2 ... My net worth ($0.02) follows... DC> Is there a 4DOS for OS/2? Let me be the 74th to answer this (everyone will <G>) Yes (aptly titled 4OS2 - neat!) You'll need 4os225b (probably something newer out tho...) and either 4os216a (for OS2 2.0/2.1) or 4os232a (for 3.0)... Bob --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: Dew Drop Inn/2 * San Angelo, TX (1:383/40) MSGID: 1:141/1111 27321bac on Jul 27 19:36 95, Mikko Hyvarinen of 2:229/229.5 languaged: MH> Is there a function or a variable that reports OS/2 if I'm running 4DOS in MH> an OS/2 DOS session (as the command interpreter), or DOS if I'm running 4DOS MH> as the command interpreter for DOS? MH> The reported values need not be "OS/2" or "DOS", as long as I can MH> distinguish between the two. %_dos should give you the info needed. ciao, fl ... Programming assumes all calls are free. --- MsgedsqB 3.10.04 * Origin: this space available bbs! 1-203-759-5825 (1:141/1111) MSGID: 1:141/1111 27321ed6 on Jul 30 21:46 95, Saul Levy of 1:300/53 languaged: SL> Maybe I should republish the five messages of how to use the file-handling SL> features of 4DOS? Does anyone else want these? please do! ciao, fl ... BEER.CAN not found. Sysop not loaded. --- MsgedsqB 3.10.04 * Origin: this space available bbs! 1-203-759-5825 (1:141/1111) MSGID: 1:278/111.0 885EA0DF @1:282/7 On 07-28-95, KURT SLETTERDAHL wrote GIO SANTORO... KS>An unfortunate difference between the two is that retailers, KS>including Computer City, Comp USA, and Egghead, don't stock the KS>Courier. It is not feasible for customers to special order a Courier, KS>because these retailers demand an excessive margin on special orders. KS>As an example, Egghead wants a whopping $525 for an external Courier KS>V.34. Since I don't have any previous experience with a mail order KS>dealer, I will probably get another brand. Kurt, read the FOR SALE and CLASSIFIED echoes in all of the nets that you can. I managed to pick up a brand new (in the box and shrink wrapped) v.34 Courier for considerably less that the usual asking price at even the best discount mail order houses. I've found that folks that deal in these echoes are fairly honest people. -= *Ken* =- --- * CMPQwk 1.42 #9229A * Internet: kewe@ix.netcom.com * Lawyer; larval form of politician, see "maggot". --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Systematic BBS, Bronx, NY (718) 716-6198 (1:278/111.0) MSGID: 1:2613/135@fidonet.org 094791bb GP> 8250 UART. Goes like this with the USR Sportster 14.4: GP> 115.2k or 57.6k for 16550 UART Sportster 14.4 only goes up to 57600 for DTE rates... paul ... "Oh gross! He's wearing a sports bra!" -- Tom Servo * Blue Wave v2.12/Tag-X Pro v1.20 * --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0527 * Origin: Wise BBS - Irondequoit, NY (1:2613/135) MSGID: 1:366/84.0 01f9ecb0 Umit Celen wrote in a message to All: UC> I am looking for info of these (rs485 and rs422) serial UC> communication standarts as much as I can use them in pascal UC> c or visual basic programs. Not just for MODEMs. UC> The best, the procedures or subroutines related above UC> mentioned programs languages. RS485/RS422 are hardware standards for serial data transfer via wire pairs rather than single ended. The protocol for the transmission of data is determined by the use you will have for it. The common use is to have a address for each device on the serial lines, each device responds to it's own address. The only protocol I have used is the SABUS standards used for satellite communication equipment controls, and that info is available thru Scientific Atlanta. I don't program, I do hardware testing so I can't give you any info on the structures. Sorry. Rich Newsom --- timEd/2 1.10.g1+ * Origin: -=Rich's Mailroom=- Niceville, Fl (904) 678-4162 (1:366/84) MSGID: 1:2410/116@fidonet.org 301fa241 *** Quoting Rick Collins to Borge Nielsen dated 07-30-95 *** > ATZ - restore from Profile 0 > [------------------------ End of Quote ------------------------] <G> Aren't you ASSUMING something there? Perhaps the Yn setting is Y1? Then ATZ will restore profile 1. <G> (I'm certain Dave will see this too) --- T.A.G. 2.7b1a Alpha * Origin: CRIMP BBS (1:2410/116) MSGID: 1:2410/116@fidonet.org 301fa2b4 *** Quoting Rick Collins to Jeff Friend dated 07-30-95 *** > Quoting Jeff Friend to Michael Edlington > Subj: Re: Modem to Modem on 07-24-95 18:23: > > jf> Yes it is. Disconnect the cables to the phone lines and > jf> replace them with 1 cable between the modems. one > jf> computer dials ATDT and the other dials ATA... this > jf> should do the trick. > > Make sure it's a "null modem" cable, though. . . > [------------------------ End of Quote ------------------------] I've never heard of a null modem PHONE cable <G> which is what he is talking about as he hasn't removed the modems from this yet. A direct serial connection would be something else again. --- T.A.G. 2.7b1a Alpha * Origin: CRIMP BBS (1:2410/116) MSGID: 1:3630/90 301f11a0 Replying to a message of Gio Santoro to Eric Baker: EB>> Could a USR Courier 14.4 be upgraded to 33.6? How far can they EB>> be upgraded GS> Yes. Via a daughterboard replacement. The only Couriers that are upgradable are the small ones that started as V.32Terbo or HST/Terbo. The courier 14400 modems can be traded in for a Dual Standard V.34+ for $249. Otherwise, such a modem is worth about $50-$80. --- FleetStreet 1.04.2 NR * Origin: Island On Line - V.34+ Warp Speed 33600 (1:3630/90) MSGID: 1:3630/90 301f1142 Replying to a message of Gio Santoro to Stephen Hendricks: SH>> So does the Sportster Vi. GS> You'll have to forgive me, I'm not up-to-date on the Sportster GS> Vi. Besides, it's a little difficult for me to recommend a GS> modem I've yet to see on the shelves. :) You will. The Vi represents the CURRENT generation of modems that are being introduced. The CURRENT generation of modems are almost all have advanced FAX functions, Caller ID (CND), TRUE adaptive answering, and software that works. --- FleetStreet 1.04.2 NR * Origin: Island On Line - V.34+ Warp Speed 33600 (1:3630/90) MSGID: 1:375/100 3020071f Hi Rick, RC> Also note: You don't need the ~ in the strings - they serve RC> no purpose whatsoever - except to delay the sending of the RC> string to the modem. The modem _ignores_ the ~ character, and The modem may ignore it, but some programs will use that to delay the next character before sending it to the modem. FD does at any rate. --- * Origin: Floyd's Folly, NEC'ing with WARP & USR v.34+ (1:375/100) MSGID: 1:250/426.0 301f94b4 I need help with my ageing Corona PC portable...I need the jumper settings and DIP switch settings....The manual for this old one left years ago. Also I don't suppose anyone has the HEX ROM files about them? I have ROM V 4.28C whats the most current...or the last one before production was halted? Also..There are several Cards which I need the settings for..they are as follows: Clock Card (TP-005) (Corona's Don't even have an RTC?!) Multifunction Board ("LAVA COMPUTERS" "MOKO L2" -Has SERIAL/PARALLEL port (8250N) -6 Pos DIP -4 Banks of Jumpers. -3 Banks for DRAMS If anyone has ANY of the above information please send it to me...my thanks in advance for any help! ... OFFLINE 1.50 "Virus check complete. All viruses functioning normally --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: TIBM Wizard. Rexdale. tibm.gryn.org 416-743-6703 (1:250/426) MSGID: 1:2410/242.0 1ee7750 SH> Now if someone can just figure out a way to make a cheap CDRecorder BE> They can...but they won't. Why should they? RS> To make heaps of money flogging them, just like Iomega RS> decided to do with the Zip drive, or try to anyway. Iomega has proprietary products, and could collect a royalty from other mfrs for every drive/disk made (just like Sony makes a few cents on every 3.5" floppy made...). With CD-R, a dirt cheap drive would only be highly profitable until other mfrs came out with competitive models. Jeff --- timEd/2 1.01 * Origin: Quibbler's Say (1:2410/242) MSGID: 1:2215/5.5 411b6591 Greetings Bruce, 31-Jul-95 23:54, Bruce Lane wrote to David Cupp Subject: Re: Changing the CPU DC>> I would like to put a 100mhz CPU in it, but the manual doesn't say DC>> anything about using anything more than a DX2 CPU. Does AMD make a DC>> 486DX2/100 CPU? BL> Oh, they do indeed! ;-) Current wholesale price on the AM486DX4-100 BL> is around $90. Street price at retail level will probably be around $150. BL> That may come down in the near future because AMD just released their BL> new 486DX4-120. I know AMD makes a DX4/100. I asked about a DX2/100. BL> One thing; the DX4-100 is a 3.3 volt chip. Make sure your motherboard BL> can accommodate the lower-voltage chips, or you'll end up with an BL> expensive paperweight. ;-) Nope, it has to be a 5-volt, or I'll need a (add on) regulator. What does a regulator cost? ───> David Cupp . . --- Terminate 1.51/Pro * Origin: Dave's Point.. North East Ohio.. (1:2215/5.5) MSGID: 1:2215/5.5 e8d923b9 Greetings Ralph, DC>My 486-GVT-2 MB will accept a variety of 5-volt CPUs. (486/SX/DX/DX2) DC> I would like to put a 100mhz CPU in it, but the manual doesn't DC> say anything about using anything more than a DX2 CPU. DC> Does AMD make a 486DX2/100 CPU? DC> If so, am I right in thinking that I would set the CPU clock to 50Mhz. RM> Most of the dx/100 chips will not work in the 5 volt boards. They are 3 RM> volt chips. If you can find one with a voltage regulator board, then RM> you will need to run the board at the same speed you are now running (66 RM> mhz). The chip will internally do whatever it needs to run at the RM> faster speed. That is the same as it is on the chip you are now running. RM> The clock speed of 33 mhz is the same for the 486/33,66 or 100. It is RM> multiplied internally by the chip. For some reason the makers called it RM> a DX/4 instead of a /3. They saved the _3_ to use with their voltage. <g> Thanks for the info. The MB is new (1995) and I don't plan to upgrade for a while. I wonder what it would cost for a regulator? ───> David Cupp . . --- Terminate 1.51/Pro * Origin: Dave's Point.. North East Ohio.. (1:2215/5.5) MSGID: 1:134/40.0 301f0d00 BT> There are 10 function keys...83 keys total. I see no switches BT> external. Then that's a standard XT keyboard, not the 3270 type. ... From: Alastair Preston, Calgary, Alberta, Canada --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: TechTalk; Calgary, Alberta. (403)280-9802. USR DS 33.6 (1:134/40) MSGID: 1:134/40.0 301f0d01 BT> But now I'm back to trying to get a good boot with only the floppy BT> installed as the system stopped recognizing my boot/system disk. It's possible that you may have zapped something, but more likely that a cable isn't attached properly - check that all are fully connected and in right orientation. I once had a similar mystery when juggling components between two system - couldn't get one system to boot from either of two system floppies, and then my other system wouldn't boot from them either. Seems the first time I'd tried, I had a loose cable, then, when I fixed that, I'd inadvertantly knocked a screw onto one of the floppy drives; the screw remained unnoticed for a while. After finally removing it and double checking the floppies, I found that both system disks had been trashed when I'd tried to read them on the shorted drive! ... From: Alastair Preston, Calgary, Alberta, Canada --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: TechTalk; Calgary, Alberta. (403)280-9802. USR DS 33.6 (1:134/40) MSGID: 1:115/302.0 3020616c > Where in the world did you find the Mitsumi 4x under $200? In my local Computer City as well as in tons of mail-order companies. Pick up an issue of Computer Shopper and see for yourself. PS: The Mitsumi is sold under Reveal's name as well. AMC Internet mail address: amc1885@ibm.net * KWQ/2 1.2i NR * --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Megadodo Publications (1:115/302) MSGID: 1:106/2000.0 3020690f I have a friend who services milking machines here in Tillamook County (home of the best cheddar on Earth). He has been looking for information on a chip on a breadboard (I think that's what they're called). It was manufactured in Westphalia (sp) Germany. If this is the right place, I will post more particulars. Otherwise, please accept my apologies in advance and I will slither back into the slow lane. Regards, Kit ... Line noise provided by Sprint/United Telephone! --- Blue Wave v2.12 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 (713) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) MSGID: 1:215/222.0 301ffc2e Hello Everybody, I just bought an H.P. Colorado T1000. I was wondering if Colorado made a Tape Accelerator board for this drive? I have it connected to a on-board controller. Is there any way to speed it up from 4.5 Meg/Per/Min to higher? Doug ... Douglas.Pon@P3.F222.N215.Z1.Fidonet.Org --- ** 3 Phone Lines ** * Origin: The Phantom Zone: Castro Valley, CA (510)538-9586 (1:215/222) MSGID: 1:215/222.0 301ffc36 -=> Quoting David Cupp to All <=- DC> My 486-GVT-2 MB will accept a variety of 5-volt CPUs. (486/SX/DX/DX2) DC> It has CPU clock jumpers for (mhz) 25, 33.3, 40, 50, 66.6, 80 & 100.. DC> I have it set for 33.3mhz, with a AMD 486DX2/66 in it. DC> I would like to put a 100mhz CPU in it, but the manual doesn't say DC> anything about using anything more than a DX2 CPU. Does AMD make DC> 486DX2/100 CPU? DC> If so, am I right in thinking that I would set the CPU clock to 50Mhz DC> when I installed one? Thanks.. ───> David Cupp . . DC> ! Origin: Dave's Point.. North East Ohio.. (1:2215/5.5) Hello David, I don't know about other manufacturers, but Intel makes 5v 486 class cpu's up to DX-2 66. DX-4 75 and 100 are 3.3 Volts. If your motherboard doesn't support that voltage, you'll fry the chip to junk. Doug ... Douglas.Pon@P3.F222.N215.Z1.Fidonet.Org --- ** 3 Phone Lines ** * Origin: The Phantom Zone: Castro Valley, CA (510)538-9586 (1:215/222) MSGID: 1:215/222.0 301ffc37 -=> Quoting Ellen Dill to All <=- ED> hi ED> ! Origin: Vanguard Fortress BBS - 508-966-0503 (1:333/503) Hi to you too! Doug ... Douglas.Pon@P3.F222.N215.Z1.Fidonet.Org --- ** 3 Phone Lines ** * Origin: The Phantom Zone: Castro Valley, CA (510)538-9586 (1:215/222) -=> Quoting Jason Hong to All <=- JH> I want to change my LED display (just for the hell of it) and I was JH> wondering if any of you know how to change the number? I've tried JH> changing the jumpers behind the LED display and I came up with 85. JH> How do I change it to 99? Thanks. I've seen a couple of dozen different cases, each with different instructions for setting the LED speed setting. I'm afraid you will never get any help without them instructions. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Hypermail 1.21-REG * Origin: The Moose's Den, Fremont, CA. (510) 656-3720 (1:215/250) On 07-25-95, Keiichi Nakasato discussed Cd Rom with Robert Scott KN> RS> going to a third-party vendor for something like PC Tools or KN>Norton KN>Yep, though it will be waste of money to buy third-party software to KN>improve interface for W/WfW. Person would be better off saving the KN>money now, and wait until there's 32bit software that he really want KN>and get W95. Hi, Keiichi! Your remarks are "right on" about the new 32-bit software. Also, your comments about needs versus wants are very accurate. For most of us, any type of system upgrade falls into the "want" category, as opposed to "need." I was interested to read your comment that Microsoft is releasing the 32-bit version of office for $200. That is AWFULLY tempting, even for a WordPerfect/Quattro-Pro person like me! Smart marketing on the part of MS, as Office will be ready to buy the same day you pick up Win 95! (I don't know if Novell is going to be ready on "Launch Day." We could comment about the advantage Microsoft has here, but let's not beat a dead horse to death. Have a great day. Off topic: Are you in Hawaii? REgards, Scott Robert Scott McDonald 08/01/95 --- FMail/386 0.98a ■ CmpQwk #UNREG■ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: Sarge's Place (707)649-9210 Vallejo, Ca. (1:161/518) On 07-31-95, Jeff Hill discussed Repair Hd with Robert Scott JH> JH>Well, my name is jeff hill, but I have no clue what this message is JH>about... I never wrote that! Hi again! Apparently, there must be another person named Jeff Hill on this Echo. This is why I use all three of my names, so I don't get other folks' mail on this echo, which is a very big one. REgards, Scott Robert Scott McDonald 08/01/95 --- FMail/386 0.98a ■ CmpQwk #UNREG■ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: Sarge's Place (707)649-9210 Vallejo, Ca. (1:161/518) On 07-29-95, Mike Davis discussed Re: DOOM2 DEATH virus with Arthur Newkirk MD>From F-Prot v.2.18, here is the information given on the DOOM II MD>virus: MD>DOOM II MD>Origin: Taiwan MD>Size: 1252 MD>Type: Resident COM/EXE files MD>A very badly written virus, which usually hangs after infecting a MD>program. It is encrypted, and contains the following message: MD> DOOM II (c) Dr.Jones, NCU MD>A slightly different variant is also known called Doom-2B Mike: Was this virus detected on the factory-shipped CD-rom? Thanks Regards, Scott (Robert Scott McDonald) --- FMail/386 0.98a ■ CmpQwk #UNREG■ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: Sarge's Place (707)649-9210 Vallejo, Ca. (1:161/518) On 07-25-95, Keiichi Nakasato discussed Cd Rom with Robert Scott KN> RS> going to a third-party vendor for something like PC Tools or KN>Norton KN>Yep, though it will be waste of money to buy third-party software to KN>improve interface for W/WfW. Person would be better off saving the KN>money now, and wait until there's 32bit software that he really want KN>and get W95. Hi, Keiichi! Your remarks are "right on" about the new 32-bit software. Also, your comments about needs versus wants are very accurate. For most of us, any type of system upgrade falls into the "want" category, as opposed to "need." I was interested to read your comment that Microsoft is releasing the 32-bit version of office for $200. That is AWFULLY tempting, even for a WordPerfect/Quattro-Pro person like me! Smart marketing on the part of MS, as Office will be ready to buy the same day you pick up Win 95! (I don't know if Novell is going to be ready on "Launch Day." We could comment about the advantage Microsoft has here, but let's not beat a dead horse to death. Have a great day. Off topic: Are you in Hawaii? REgards, Scott Robert Scott McDonald 08/01/95 --- FMail/386 0.98a ■ CmpQwk #UNREG■ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: Sarge's Place (707)649-9210 Vallejo, Ca. (1:161/518) On 07-31-95, Jeff Hill discussed Repair Hd with Robert Scott JH> JH>Well, my name is jeff hill, but I have no clue what this message is JH>about... I never wrote that! Hi again! Apparently, there must be another person named Jeff Hill on this Echo. This is why I use all three of my names, so I don't get other folks' mail on this echo, which is a very big one. REgards, Scott Robert Scott McDonald 08/01/95 --- FMail/386 0.98a ■ CmpQwk #UNREG■ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: Sarge's Place (707)649-9210 Vallejo, Ca. (1:161/518) On 07-29-95, Mike Davis discussed Re: DOOM2 DEATH virus with Arthur Newkirk MD>From F-Prot v.2.18, here is the information given on the DOOM II MD>virus: MD>DOOM II MD>Origin: Taiwan MD>Size: 1252 MD>Type: Resident COM/EXE files MD>A very badly written virus, which usually hangs after infecting a MD>program. It is encrypted, and contains the following message: MD> DOOM II (c) Dr.Jones, NCU MD>A slightly different variant is also known called Doom-2B Mike: Was this virus detected on the factory-shipped CD-rom? Thanks Regards, Scott (Robert Scott McDonald) --- FMail/386 0.98a ■ CmpQwk #UNREG■ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: Sarge's Place (707)649-9210 Vallejo, Ca. (1:161/518) MSGID: 1:345/3.0 886011F0 On 08-01-95 SCOTT STAHL wrote to ALL... SS> I'm having a major problem configuring my computer to recognize 8Mb of SS> RAM. SS> I can get it to recognize 7Mb but not 8. I was unfornate to buy a SS> Pine PC SS> Cyrix 486DX2/66 PC which has 2 72pin slots and 4 30pin slots. SS> According to SS> the manual the 72pin slots are separate banks and don't have to match SS> and SS> the 4 30 pin slots have to match. What I have is 2x2Mb 72 pin chips SS> and SS> 4x1Mb 30 pin chips. I tried the jumper settings the manual said to SS> use and SS> I only got 6Mb, and then I played with them abit and came up with 7Mb SS> of SS> RAM. Here's what they are jumpered as... 7M is likely to be the limit... 7M of extended + 640k is the limit of most computer with 8M --- Aloha, Keiichi --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Vampyre's Lair BBS ■ (808) 672-4889 ■ Hawaii ■ (1:345/3.0) MSGID: 1:345/3.0 886011F1 On 07-31-95 IAN MOOTE wrote to KENNETH HASS... IM> -> IM> Just try different versions of Nortons until you find one IM> -> IM> that reports a speed that you like. IM> IM> -> Or do like Cyrix and build your CPU to function best under the IM> -> testing criteria of Landmark 2.0. IM> IM> Oooo, gross! Never heard that one before -- that's just as bad as the IM> Pedey Norton thing to which I was obliquely refering. Long time ago, compiler manufactures did similar thing with Sieve (prime number generator.) Also, all CPU designers designed CPU based on one form of benchmark or another. MIPS/Flops/VAX etc. The best one is Spec92int/fp which can't really be fooled and if it was, then most of the applications will be fooled in to running fast too. :) IM> I had never considered that -- "How can we optimize our microcode to IM> give the best performance under the benchmarking programs?" Geez, what IM> a bunch of MBA's! Although Cyrix did to a extreme, it is fault of reliance in *junk* benchmarks that can be fooled so easily. IBM fooled lots people into buying 486SLC/2 with 16k cache. OTOH, all CPU are designed to accommodate some benchmarks since that is the only way the power can be compared. --- Aloha, Keiichi --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Vampyre's Lair BBS ■ (808) 672-4889 ■ Hawaii ■ (1:345/3.0) MSGID: 1:340/78.0 301e03d1 -=> Quoting Patrick Long to Zack Macdonald <=- ZM-=>I was wondering if anyone out there had any Bloom County or -=>Outlanders taglines PL> "A gift of humanity is what I want for Christmas!!" - Opus PL> "Accountability is Un-American!!" - Opus Thankyou thankyou thankyou.. There are some good ones in there, but I took the whole thing just in case... ;) Ja, Zack. Tagline otaku in traning. ... Have you said "THANKS" to your Moderator today? --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: Double Exposure ■ (6O4)652-8373 ■ [OS/2 Warped] ■ (1:340/78) MSGID: 1:340/78.0 301f16e2 You missed this one : Forrest the Pooh : "Life is like a pot of hunny.." Nicholas --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Double Exposure ■ (6O4)652-8373 ■ [OS/2 Warped] ■ (1:340/78) MSGID: 1:340/78.0 301f1738 Could somebody send me some wizardly taglines? Example : Wizards Guild parking only. Tresspassers will be toad. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: Double Exposure ■ (6O4)652-8373 ■ [OS/2 Warped] ■ (1:340/78) MSGID: 1:203/50.0 301f6044 Yes, big help since I don't have small kids anymore the TV doesn't usually get turned on weekends unless someone watches a video. Thanks. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: SCTC Bulletin Board (1:203/50) MSGID: 1:163/322.0 300ffae0 * Shayne tunes into the Sandy Spadaccino Show, Direct from Cyberspace! * SS> Funny you should ask. I just recently got on this kick when I SS> bought a movie quotes book. Here are some for you... SS> "I eat like a fool when I'm in love." Lauren Bacall much deleted.... SS> This list is just the tip of the iceberg. If you want more, let me SS> know. These are great! Consider them stolen! :) If you have more, please post them. Thanks a bunch. Shayne ... "I'd love to help you out. Which way did you come in?" -- Groucho ___ Messenger V1.2 [Reg] ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: CAESAR'S SANDBOX * OTTAWA * (613) 725-1227 * (1:163/322) MSGID: 1:10/25.0 01902b92 ... Sex is like a credit card, once you withdraw, you better pay interest. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: FREE Downloading, Fido, Internet + Email! 714-525-1706 (1:10/25) MSGID: 1:323/150@fidonet.org c0fbd1b4 EK> I was wondering if anyone has any tags in French. If you do, I'd love EK> to "borrow" them! JW*I'm afraid I only have one tag in French, but at least it's original: JW*Appuyez sur ALT-A pour le version d'Anglaise de cette tagline bilingue Merci beaucoup. Guess I'll just start translating the ones I have. This is one I stole, but I'm not sure of the spelling. I did it from memory because I couldn't find the real tag. Sir Didymus ... Everybody should believe something-I believe I'll have more chocolate. --- * TLX v4.10 * internet: ed.kammerer,.jr@enest.com Sir Didymus --- * TLX v4.10 * Je d*fendrai jusqu'* la mort votre droit * mon opinion * 1st 2.00 #7613 * --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0175 * Origin: Eagle's Nest Comm., Inc Prov, RI 401-621-4600 (1:323/150) MSGID: 1:271/1701.0 130c13b4 JC-=>Hi! I'm looking for taglines on: -=>Uses for duct tape, or just duct tape in general "It's serious," he explained, "...we're low on duct tape!" If it can't be fixed with Vise-Grips & duct tape, it can't be fixed. Velcro, super glue, duct tape, post-its, and OS/2. -=>Borg "I'm to sexy for the Borg..." - J. L. Picard Bad Borg Bad Borg Whatcha gonna do when they assimilate you... BORG! UHH! GOOD GOD! WHAT ARE THEY GOOD FOR? The Borg Are Back An' There's Gonna Be Trouble, Hey Na, Hey Na... "Bother," said Pooh, as he was assimilated by the Borg. "Facts, though interesting, are in my opinion irrelevant." - The Borg. "Galactic Conquest or bust." - Borg bumper sticker "His death is irrelevant, Jim." - McCoy of Borg "I am *not* an assimilator." - Nixon of Borg "I love it when assimilation comes together." ─ The Borg Team. "I survived the Borg. I can handle a date with Mrs. Troi" - Picard "Laughter is the shortest distance between two people." ─ Victor Borge "The future of robotics" ─ by Cy Borg and Anne Droid "They turned me into a Borg." "A Borg?" "Well, I got better." "We Brake To Assimilate" - Borg Bumper Sticker "You are ir-ir-uh-ur-ar-er not important." - Porky of Borg #1 BORG Hit Parade "We all sleep in a single subroutine" * <- Tribble # <- Tribble After Borg Assimilation 007 of Borg: Licence to Assimilate. Jeff Crow is NOT a Borg identification. You are now 1 of 5.5 billion. Asimov of Borg: The Three Laws Of Assimilation. ASSIMILATION PARTY! I'll bring the Borgers & Lowenborg! Barnum of Borg - "There's one assimilated every minute." Beware a Borg-again Christian. Resistance to their evangelism is futile. Bilbo_Baggens of Borg - "Alas, the assimilation goes ever onward." BillDCat of Borg - "You will be ass--<Acckk! Thbbbpt!>--imilated!" Bizzaro Borg - "Me do it your way! My way unrelevant!" Blonde Borgs all have the same fun. Borg... James Borg. Prepare to be assimilated, Miss MoneyPenny. Buffalo Bob of Borg - "What time is it? Assimilation time!" But soft! What beam thru yonder saucer section cuts? 'Tis the Borg. Carson of Borg - "Hah! This is soooo futile." <How futile is it?> Chewbacca of Borg: "RRWARARRHHG!" Coming soon, Rick Borganis starring in "Honey, I Assimilated the Kids" Descartes of Borg - "I assimilate, therefore I am." Diamond of Borg: Song Sung Borg, Everyone's assimilated. Dirty Harry of Borg: "Go ahead... resist us." Dolby of Borg: They blinded me with irrevelance. Droopy of Borg - "You know what? You're about to be assimilated." Drunkard of Borg - "Resultance is floor tile." Déjà Borg: The feeling that you have read that Borg tagline before. Earl Schieb of Borg - "I'll assimilate anybody for $79.95!" EdMcMahon of Borg - "YOU may already be assimilated!" Edward Scissorhands was an early Borg prototype. English: The Borg of languages. Ernest of Borg - "Hey, Vern. Resistance is futile, knowhatahmean?" Even the Borg won't assimilate an Amiga! Excuse me while I Borg Out. Ford of Borg: At the Collective, Assimilation is Job #1. Foxes will be assimilated. We're wild and crazy Borgs. Groucho of Borg - "Say the secret word and you'll be assimilated." Groucho of Borg - "That is the silliest thing I ever assimilated!" Harpo of Borg - "Honk! Honk!" I am Borg │║▐║│║│█│║▌│║▌││, who are you? I am Brain of Borg. When I take over the world, you will be assimilated! I am Chevy Chase of Borg, and you're not! I am DOS of Borg! Prepare... oops, out of memory! I am Fudd of Borg. Wesistence is usewess. I am Heisenberg of Borg. You might be assimilated. I am Hugh of Borg. We want Troi. Geordi is our friend. He can watch. I am Jesus of Borg. Blessed are they who are assimilated. I am Kojak of Borg: Who loves to assimilate ya, baby. I am Lancelot of Borg. Resistance is feudal. I am Madonna of Borg. Gender is irrelevant. Resistance turns me on. I am Marvin of Borg. Guess which weapon I have... I am Mr. Rourke of Borg. Welcome to Assimilation Island. I am Murphy of Borg. Anything that can be assimilated will be. I am Ohm of Borg. Resistance is relevant. I am Ohm of Borg. Resistance is V/I... I am Pentium of Borg. Prepare to be approximated. I am Pepe of ze Borg: We will assimilate you in the matters of love. I am Popeye of Borg: "You shall be what I yam." I am Sajak of Borg; RES_STA_CE _S F_T_LE. I am Tagline of Borg. Go ahead! Assimilate me! I am Tigger of Borg: A Tigger can assimilate anything. I am Victor of Borg(e)... Prepare to hear funny music. I am Wakko of Borg. You will be... WOW, look at all that food! I bet the Doctor could *confuse* the Borg. I'd rather be assimilating. - Borg Bumpersticker. I'm Cthulhu of Borg, and you are in some SERIOUS trouble. James Borg 007 - The Borg Who Loved Me Kira of Borg. Now there's a terrifying thought... (Continued to next message) --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Outpost XIO BBS - (804)850-0909 Hampton VA (1:271/1701) MSGID: 1:271/1701.0 130c13b5 (Continued from previous message) Kojak of Borg - "Who loves to assimilate ya, baby?" Letterman of Borg - "Ok, Top 10 reasons why resistance is futile:" Liberace of Borg - "I wish my brother 3 of 5 was here." Locutus 1-2-3: Borg spreadsheet program Locutus of Borg - "Do you have any Earl Grey Tea?" Mr. Rogers of Borg - "Can you say `assimilate', boys and girls?" New Borg Movie: Assimilating the World in 80 days. New Borg Movie: Beauty and the Borg. New Borg Movie: Bedknobs and Borgsticks. New Borg Movie: Borg Free. New Borg Movie: Borg in East L.A. New Borg Movie: Borg with an Attitude. New Borg Movie: Borg: the Experience. New Borg Movie: Futility is forever. New Borg Movie: Raiders of the Lost Borg. New Borg Movie: The Assimilation of the Lambs. New Borg Movie: The Borg with the Golden Arm. New Borg Movie: The Collective Strikes Back. New Borg Movie: The Last Borg Scout. New Borg Movie: The Lonely Borg: Myth or Tragedy? New Borg Movie: Where the Borg Are. Obi Wan of Borg - "Killing me is futile." Paul Simon of Borg - "Cecilia, you're assimilating my heart..." Paul_Simon of Borg - "There must be 50 ways to assimilate your lover." Pentium of BORG! Division is futile! It WILL be approximated! Political Correctness is a Borg plot. Resistance is futon. Borgie go nap-nap now. Sam of Borg I am, and I will not assimilate green eggs and ham! Sartre of Borg: Existence precedes assimilation. SGT Schultz of Borg - "I assimilate nawwthing... nawwwwwthhh-thiiing!" Solo of Borg: You will be assimilated... trust me. Speedy Gonzales of Borg: Prepare to be accelerated! TagX Pro of Borg - "Your tagline will be assimilated." Tarzan of Borg - "Me assimilate. You assimilated." The Borg: Victims of Low Self-Esteem? On the Next Geraldo! The Borg: We came. We assimilated. We left. The Last Borg Scout - Starring Patrick Stewart as Locutus. The name is Borg. James Borg. Troi of Borg - "All your dark milk chocolate will be assimilated." Troi of Borg - "Answer me... how does assimilation make you feel?" Uhura of Borg - "Assimilation frequencies have been established..." We are Elmyra of Borg: We will assimilate you & hug you & squeeze you, We are Hippies of Borg. Make love. War is irrelevant. We are Mimbari of Borg. We let you assimliate us and won't say why. We are Pakled of Borg: We look for things to assimilate. We are the Borg. We need 1500 large pizzas. All will be assimilated. Windows of Borg - "Your patience will be assimilated!" Your tagline has been assimilated. - BorgReader ... "Chaos in the universe always increases." - The General Law --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Outpost XIO BBS - (804)850-0909 Hampton VA (1:271/1701) MSGID: fidonet#1:360/6.0 301fb3fd MI>... Guaranteed by the Frobozz Magic Grue Repellant Company. MI> MI>But maybe you've never played Infocom games? Nope, and thanks to Jym, I guess there are other games I will never play <G. D, & R > Partial "game" list. "'Pedorasto', the game for all the family." "...You can't lie in front of the buldozer indefinately" "I'm game..." "8-0 Canada - and that's also the score of the first game." Fran Rosa "A zygote is a gamete's way of producing more gametes." -- Heinlein "Aye, that way goes the game." -- Shakespeare "Certainly the game is rigged." -- Heinlein "Come, Fenric. Play the game of traps." -- The Doctor. "Come, Watson, come! The game is afoot." -- Sherlock Holmes "Death is but giving over a game that must be lost." -- Beaumont "Galloping around the cosmos is a game for the young." -- Kirk "Game over, man! GAME OVER!!!" "Gamera is the friend of all children." <CHOMP!> "Gamera's really neat! Gamera's full of meat! We love Gamera!" "Games? Did someone say games?" -- Q "How do you play this game" - any sucker "I couldn't shoot a game of pool with a shotgun." -- Sam Beckett "I quit; I concede. Tanj on your silly game." -- Louis Wu "I'm game," he said, "we'll see who rusts first." "Kids come running for the great taste of Gamera!" -- Tom Servo "Kids come running for the rich taste of Gamera!" "Kissing girls is a goodness. It beats hell out of card games." "Make your 486 a Gameboy; type WIN3 at the C:\>." "My beach, my wave." -- Butler's Rule of Game Mastering "Now I wish I hadn't written so many tank games." -- Flynn "Paladins is *sooooo* stupid!" -- Many Games, Many Times. "Poker? Is that some kind of game?" - Riker "Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs.." FLOYD "Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs..." "Skategate" -official scandal of the 1994 Winter Olympic Games "The game is afoot!" --Sherlock Holmes "The game, Watson, is afoot." -- Sherlock Holmes "The gods play games with men as balls." - Titus Maccius Platus "Truth is the cry of all, but the game of few." -- Berkeley "What's a Total Immersion Video Game?" -- Rimmer "Windows-> The best $89 solitare game you can buy!" "Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess?" -- Joshua "You better start learning the game, and I mean now!" -- Duncan MacLeod "`Pederasto', the game for all the family." 1 more good thing about day Baseball games: Pre-empting Rush Limbaugh 3 game wardens, 7 hunters, and a cow... 3 Game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow. A bachelor enjoys the chase but doesn't eat the game A game: Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego's luggage? A mind is a terrible thing to ... OOOOH a new video game! A new game-Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego's laugage? A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.<WarGames> A zygote is a gamete's way of producing more gametes. Academy: A modern school with a marching band to play at football games. alt.rec.games.tic.tac.toe Amiga Error #7 Fatal ERROR - Non game detect Amiga Power user - can play a game while squeezing his zits Apogee games: Betcha can't play just one! Apogee ■ To boldly do what no games have done before. Are you sure you want to quit this great game? Bad Advertising: Be The Bobbitts Home Game. Balance the budget - declare politicians a game species. Banana Jam? Is this something to eat or a party game? Barf-O-Rama, new home game. Baseball is a skilled game. It's America's game - it, and high taxes. BBS Lingo: RPG; Role Playing Game BBS Lingo: TFG; Task Force Games (company that puts out SFB) Blue Wave - What Smurfs do at a football game... BlueWave:75,000 smerfs at a baseball game Borg under OS/2: Games are irreverent. You will be assimilated. Borganist: music maker at Borg baseball games But nurse jokes are fair game. Carpe GM-!!!-Seize the Game Master! Cat Game #10: Hide and go puke. Cat Game #1: Hah - made you look! Cat Game #3: Take up most room on bed. Cat game #6. Fit in the smallest space possible Cat game #6: fit into the smallest place possible. Cat Game #6: Fit into the smallest space available... Cat Game #6: Fit into the smallest place available. Cat Game #6: fit into the smallest space possible. Cat Game #6: hide inside the smallest space. Cat Game#6: Fit into the smallest space possible. Cat's Favorite Game - "Ha! Made you look!" Cat's favorite game: "HAH- made you look!!!" Certainly the game is rigged. Childish game: One at which you cannot beat your spouse. Childish Game: One at which your spouse beats you --==<<< Continued next message >>>==-- --- RBBSMail/386 v1.0 * Origin: The Beehive RBBS, Hephzibah, GA 706-798-3864 (1:360/6.0) MSGID: fidonet#1:360/6.0 301fb3fe --==<<< Continued from previous message >>>==-- Childish games: Those at which your spouse beats you. Clinton Medical Dictionary: G. I. SERIES: SOLDIER BALL GAME. COMPUTER: Something to pass the time when a hockey game isn't on. ... ■ Tag-X Pro v1.25ß ■ Did you get a guarantee with that brain? --- RBBSMail/386 v1.0 * Origin: The Beehive RBBS, Hephzibah, GA 706-798-3864 (1:360/6.0) MSGID: 4:972/4.0 301f2bea -=> I heard Gary Caplan say to Eddy Gosset something about C*n*s*rsh*p on 31 Jul 95 05:38:06 <=- GC> Why the h*ll does everybody tell me what the f*ck to do! - Eddy Gosset GC> I'm fr**k*ng tired of it!!!!!! - Eddy Gosset GC> Sorry.... just in a fr**k*ng bad mood.... - Eddy Gosset GC> Hey... they get mad at me for everything I write... - Eddy Gosset GC> I just wanted to play it safe... :-) - Eddy Gosset GC> Nice Taglines, Eddy. :-) Thanks! *S*W*I*P*E*D* Hmmmm... TAGlines.... I never thought of that.... :-) GC> Do you have any more like these? ... If so, please post `em! :-) Just get me mad again... :-) GC> With enough Eddy Gosset Taglines, I could have a new Category on: GC> The *TAGLINE INDEX* <tm> Kewl!!! GC> ~Gary (Baltimore, Maryland; USA) Internet: gary@mbbs.com ... Are the noises in my head bothering you? --- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR] * Origin: + La Conexión Mexicana -=- Your Gateway to Latin America + (4:972/4) MSGID: 4:972/4.0 301f2beb -=> I heard Danny Della Paolera say to Eddy Gosset something about C*n*s*rsh*p on 31 Jul 95 10:49:22 <=- DDP> Well each conference has rules. That's why people get DDP> mad at you. The majority rule in all conference is DDP> stay on topic, if you don't then you get yelled DDP> at, if you want to chit chat I believe there is DDP> a chit-chat conference, and there is also a Netmail DDP> area that is for sending private messages between DDP> users. I know... But thanks anyways!!!!!! Bye!!!! ... Contentsoftaglinemaysettleduringshipping. --- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR] * Origin: + La Conexión Mexicana -=- Your Gateway to Latin America + (4:972/4) MSGID: 4:972/4.0 301f2bf6 -=> I heard Jack Butler say to Todd Sullivan something about Carlin Tag Wars<tm> on 30 Jul 95 09:40:36 <=- JB> ... "That's my job... thinking up goofy sh*t." -- Carlin You have the tapes... right ???? How 'bout... ... Hey, you in front... Sit Down, Shut Up and Bite me !!!!! -- George Carlin --- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR] * Origin: + La Conexión Mexicana -=- Your Gateway to Latin America + (4:972/4) MSGID: 1:147/27.0 301fd841 -=> Quoting Craig Scott to All <=- CS> Does anyone have any Christian, inspiriational, uplifting type CS> tags? Hi Craig, I have just a tiny handful: 7 Days Without Prayer Makes One Weak. A man wrapped up in himself makes a very small package. A person who looks up to God rarely looks down on people. A true friend walks in when everyone else leaves. Although the tongue weighs very little, few people are able to hold it. Always forgive your enemies. They HATE that! Always listen to what experts say can't be done. Then do it. Backsliding starts when kneebending stops. Christmas is the promise, and Easter the Proof. Don't judge people by their relatives. Don't judge the parade by a few clowns. Don't lend people money. It causes amnesia. Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal. Even the smallest candle burns bright in the darkness. FEAR: False Evidence Appearing Real. Forbidden fruit is responsible for many a bad jam. God can heal a broken heart but He has to have all the pieces. God is like HALLMARK CARDS...He cares enough to send the very best. God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts! He who slings mud looses ground. How you do anything is how you do everything I'll be praying for you! If you focus only on the thorns you will miss the beauty of the rose. Is God GOOD or What!!! Jesus said: "Peter, feed my sheep." Not bludgeon them to death. Kick the darkness till it bleeds LIGHT!!! Like a candle, to give light you must endure burning. Live life as an exclamation, not an explanation! Many are called, most won't go. Most people wish to serve God--but only in an advisory capacity. Never cut what can be untied. Never let yesterday or tomorrow use up today. Only those who attempt the absurd achieve the impossible. Plan ahead: after all, it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark. Prayer is asking for rain. Faith is carrying an umbrella. SALVATION -- Don't leave Earth without it... Some people find fault like there was a reward offered. The best way to get the last word is to apologize. THE RAPTURE!....THE ULTIMATE UPLOAD!!! The trouble with trouble is that it usually starts out like fun. There are no shortcuts to any place worth going. What a caterpillar calls the end of the world The Master calls a Butterfly Susan ... "Not a morning person" doesn't even BEGIN to cover it. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: the silent scream - 1-405-943-1068 (1:147/27) MSGID: 1:147/27.0 301fd842 -=> Quoting Bob Newman to Susan Barrington <=- BN> I just snag tags to a file till it starts taking too long to load, BN> and then start another file. No categories, no tagline manager... BN> I REFUSE to be that organized! <g> Good for you! Take NO chances. <G> ... "At last I'm organized", he sighed, and died. 90% of the time I'm right, so why worry about the other 3%? A mind is a terrible thing to .....oooohhhhh, pastel Wonderbras. Avoid Mistakes...Do Nothing! BASIC LAW OF CONSTRUCTION: Cut it large and kick it into place. Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off now. I have no solution, but I certainly do admire the problem. I've got places to go... People to annoy. Never explain. Friends don't need it, Enemies wouldn't believe it. No wanna work. Wanna bang on keyboard and talk with modem. TACT--The ability to make a guest feel at home when you wish they were. The man who invented the eraser pretty well sized up the human race. Time you enjoy wasting is not necessarily wasted time. Two guys walk into a bar...*clang* *clang* "OOF!" "OW!" UFOs can be seen by draining two fifths, then use them as binoculars Yesterday was the deadline for complaints. Thanks for the tags. BN> Money can't buy happiness, but it does quiet the nerves. Good job. Susan ... <- Grains Of Salt. Take As Needed With Above Message. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: the silent scream - 1-405-943-1068 (1:147/27) MSGID: 1:147/27.0 301fd843 -=> Quoting Sandy Spadaccino to Susan Barrington <=- SS> of TV theme songs. It's one thing to SEE and hear, but take away the SS> visual and it's a lot tougher...but fun. Too True! SS> If I hold you any closer I'll be in back of you. Groucho Marx One of my favorite movies!! Thanks. Susan ... A real fast ant does things in an instANT. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: the silent scream - 1-405-943-1068 (1:147/27) MSGID: 1:2285/10.0 130b0f8e RB> Old Fags never die, because thanks to AIDS, there are no old Fags. I find this extremely offensive. -+- OLMS 2.5 UNREG * Origin: The Rock! -219-848-7962- (1:2285/10) MSGID: 1:261/1137 030004db |--|Thomas Blakely wrote about RE: *TOM --==SWIFTIES==- on 08/02/95. >Quoting GARY CAPLAN to BRETT PASTERNACK concerning *tom --==swifties==-: >GC>>>... "Be careful with that saw!" Tom said offhandedly. >GC>>Here's a swiftie of my own devising... >GC>>... "'Goody Two Shoes' is a great song," Tom said adamantly. >GC><*cringe*> Er, ... Brett, I've gotta admit, I'm *clueless* about this >GC>one. ... ()-0^0) >GC> (o) = ??? >GC> ~Gary (Baltimore, Maryland; USA) Internet: gary@mbbs.com >"Goody Two Shoes' is a great song." Tom said Adam Ant ly. >It refers to a mid-eighties hit by Adam Ant. >Kinda clever, in a totally bizarre way. Gawd, that _is_ good! ... And I appreciate the explanation! :-) And I have *S*W*I*P*E*D* the Tagline! ... Thanks, Tom. "I'm missing something," said I, leafing thru the dictionary, looking for a play on words. Then, Tom explains the -=swiftie=-. "Ahhhh, I *know* what I'm missing, now," I said, as a dim bulb went on inside my head, "a generation of *music* - AARRGGHH!!" ~Gary (Baltimore, Maryland; USA) Internet: gary@mbbs.com ... Born in 1943, Year of the Zinc-Coated Steel Penny ;-) --- * OLX/Tag-X Pro v1.20 * --- InterEcho 1.10 * Origin: MetroNet * Columbia, MD * (410) 720-5506 * (1:261/1137) -=> Quoting Myra I Fox to Lord Grue <=- MIF> ... What happens when your lantern goes out? Probably you'll get eaten by a grue <G>. Thanks a lot for the tags, the have been assimilated (swiped/stolen?) MIF> ... Hello, sailor. And... hello to you 2 dear Moderator. ... later paul ... Don't hit me, Ms. Moderator... I'll go back on topic... I swear! ~~~ ReneWave v1.00.wb2 (unregistered) --- FastEcho for Dummies * Origin: DeNeuralized Zone Perdido Bay, Fla. (904)492-4370 (1:3612/555) MSGID: 1:153/410.0 30202ec9 "*tag-x professional*" said Pooh as he shot Gary for talking to Kwisatz. GC> We're all psycho; sorry. ... *WAIT!* :-) Hmm. Damn. ;) GC> I'm not familiar with TagDude, but I can "bend yer ear" about Tag-X GC> Pro! GC> But first, ... Post a *brief* message to RON JANORKAR (author of Tag-X GC> Pro), asking him whether his cool program will work with your mail GC> reader (FMail 0.98a?) ... If it won't, then you'll need a different GC> offline mail reader (OLMR) -and- you'll need Tag-X Pro! BlueWave version something-er-ather. GC> Hope this helps. Here's some relevant Tags for you: ACK! No! Perhaps you should read the message I sent to Mike Hudson before giving me all these taglines.. geez.. talk about stranger in a strange land. Waahh! Stupid one-line collector! ... Common sense? Me? You should know me better than THAT! --- FMail 0.98a * Origin: Mega-Messages BBS. 604-929-0365. In Vancouver, BC. (1:153/410) 
